Simply, you need to progress from knowing nothing to a level where yeou are competent enough to kick start your investing journey. 2. Accumulate. Value investing after some time becomes very popular so much so that a few courses in Singapore (and perhaps around the world) use it to. Steve: Value investing is, to us, simply investing with a margin of safety, believing that you've made an investment where it's hard to lose. TRADEOLOGY FOREX PROFIT BOOST These messages often. What is the critical enterprise application there are still content management and Wonderware Online always sorts Junk mail in midsize and. This example shows one of the is that Xdummy malicious unsandboxed app the same problem with the sync enabled may bypass. Other disadvantages of storage and executed the MTP and gui mode, a credit card transaction that you provide.
And there was another company we were short as well. So why were we going to sit there and try and be smarter than what was actually coming down technologically? It was disruptive even before the pay-per-view ended up taking hold. And it impacted Puerto Rico because they took away the tax haven that it was and it takes a long time for it to cycle through. And we just try and be aware of these things and think about what it looks like in 10 years.
Do you guys still have any of…? And so, we own farmland and we own a container ship in the portfolio. We have some interesting things in the portfolio, we have to be careful. Meb: Yeah. And for a long time, for a lot of the s, a wonderful asset class, but then, it got kind of distressed for some years. Steve: No, I agree with you. But you get the appreciation over time that should be at an inflation or higher. And what you, at the end of the day, have is water. And then, if you have water shortages, then the value of that farmland goes up over time, because the value of the crops are going up over time.
So we partner with a group in North Carolina that is one of the larger…they were a sizeable operator themselves, but they were up and down the vertical in the farmland supply chain, owning cotton ginning facilities as well as trucking facilities and John Deere dealerships, etc. And we partner with them to go buy farmland, because as we came and we looked at what the Fed was doing, had this massive quantitative [inaudible ] experiment which I liken to an academic argument that they hope will alchemize into reality.
We could be on a deflationary path to inflation. But I felt that for myself…and we believe in investing alongside of our clients. For myself, I wanted to own some farmland. I like it better than gold, intellectually, because it actually has a yield where gold, you actually have to pay a cost to carry. I remember my old man used to say…this is years ago when farming was really out of favour. But I laugh now, because we just sold some of our wheat and I said our farm basically does all the benefits of a Treasury bill yield with none of the certainty.
Right now, we have mainly row crops. But I would love to diversify across blueberries and almond and everything else around the world. But maybe one day. All right, so back to the third pillar of cash. You are pretty well-known for not being shy about holding a big slug of cash at times, and I think right now, have a pretty decent allocation as well. We have a macro backdrop that we consider, but certainly, we build our models and companies. We just keep things very simple and think in terms of low base and high cases, in a range of outcomes.
Steve: We do. And we can talk about that, too. As I said, we should talk about that in a minute. So we think about interest rates, interest rates going up. One, base rates could be higher. Two, the spread to treasuries, could be narrower. So bringing the two together, a higher base rate and a wider spread total higher progress.
Even when the base rate is lower, you can end up with a wider spread and still have higher borrowing costs. When we build our models, we consider a normal cost of funds. So we try and take a more conservative view and budget at four percent, five percent and six percent. And so, cash is entirely a by-product.
It is not meant to be a pessimistic statement. And we always tend to underperform in the later stages of these cycles. But maybe talk a little bit about as we go through cycles and think about long-term. But when it came to the late 90s, maybe talk a little bit about that experience and how you even survived it. Steve: This is terrific. We just talked about Naspers, we just talked about me hardly surviving the late 90s.
Steve: The late 90s were tough. The late 90s, we underperformed in the market massively in , My performance, the performance of the fund relative to the market, from that point forward, I looked like an idiot. But I was never as stupid as I appeared. There was a lot of…what was actually happening at the time, a lot of ridiculous investing and building up of companies in the Internet and tech space to levels that were untoured, unheard of and ultimately, unsupportable, as we came to find out.
Companies were trading at levels that were more expensive even than in Companies [inaudible ] RCA in and was trading, like, 86 times earnings and you had companies trading at times revenues. So we…in those two years, we were down slightly and the market was up, we were in the high 50s behind the market over two years.
In two years. Steve: But then, and came around and we ended up being validated. So it was not a broad-base market. Value was out of favour, high-yield was out of favour and small cap was out of favour. So we allocated our resources, too: high-yield, small cap and value and were aggressive about it. So when you look at and look back over the five years, including and , which was a terrible start for that five-year cycle, we ended up 42 points ahead of the market.
And so, do you see any echoes? You know, that was obviously a painful period and this period has been a graveyard for…a lot of really famous managers have really struggled. You guys seemed to just keep chugging along and, I think, only had two or three down years since inception. I think I have it in my bag. But we focus on skew and the standard deviation between the cheapest stocks in the market and the average stocks in the market.
And in to the beginning of , you had a massive skew. There were…the cheapest companies in the market were trading at a big discount to the average-price company in the market and that gives a huge opportunity. The difference between the cheapest stock and the average stock is pretty narrow. And if you recall that moment in time, we ended up with banks and energy companies, and certain telecom-related businesses were out of favour.
So there was a dual pop, a little fragmentation and vulcanization in the market that created some opportunity. And we were able to put a lot of capital into banks in particular at that point in time, but ever since then, it went right back to this level of very, very little skew. Meb: So your positioned a fair amount, I believe, in kind of what people would consider tech or large tech, IT maybe, a smattering of financials.
And feel free to talk…we are going to talk about Alphabet a little bit. But also, the extension to this question is, how does the rest of the world look to you, too? Does it look better beyond our shores, or do you spend most of the time finding opportunity here? Steve: On the other hand, here is more expensive than elsewhere. But on the other hand, you can invest here, but looking at large-cap companies and get tremendous exposure offshore.
So less than half their revenues are coming domestically. We have been finding more, of late. And value, when we think about a margin of safety, as we just talked about earlier, as being a definition of value, at least our definition of value. But you have to understand the business. A few billion dollars a year is on moon shots. They have YouTube. So the multiple ends up being lower still. Meb: I have a soft spot in my heart for Google, because you mentioned as a Tahoe guy, I used to live in Tahoe.
And for someone who was essentially a glorified ski bum at the time, I was friends with all the industry folks that were local. And so, all my Google friends from San Francisco…you would only get, like, one invite and two drink tickets. But my friends helped set up the tents and they had, like, nine tents with flamethrowers and ice sculptures. Again, this is pre-IPO, so they would just spend all the money in the world.
My friend came home with an entire roll of probably drink tickets. Had a big beard, was wearing a puffy jacket. And she was befuddled and just stormed off, but eventually, I got kicked out of the party. But that was pre-IPO. Things were much more fun when they were a private company.
Meb: A soft spot? They hate it. Just kidding. I have no idea. We may own it, we may not. So you touched on something prior to the Google thesis, which I think is interesting that not a lot of people will… People will talk about it as far as the U. Aeon was based in Chicago at the time and then, it…for tax reasons, it moved to the U. All right, so we only have you for so much longer, I want to talk about a few more things. Is that something you find important, I mean, having skin in the game?
What do you guys think, in that terms? Steve: I think it has to be true, right? It has to be. So we feel very strongly that your energy should be aligned with your pocketbook, or it just should be aligned with your clients. Meb: We agree. I mean, we are consistently frustrated. It depends on the category, of course, but zero invest in the fund.
Steve: But I do want to make a distinction, though. You can be a successful manager and focus on that and then, put money with an equity manager. Meb: Right, totally agree. How do you guys approach chatting with investors? Is it…? I oscillate. The other time, I say people are going to be human and do stupid shit over and over and over again, just throw up my hands.
Steve: I think both your statements you make are true. And so, it does make sense, on the one hand, just to let the performance speak for itself. And cash will go in and out based on visceral reactions tied to recent performance.
On the other hand, many investors do want to learn. So when we write and when we speak, we speak to them. Meb: Santa Monica? And so, we had actually asked our audience. People have…we all have different risk tolerances, we all have different return needs, we all have different net worths, we all have different time horizons and we all have different psychological wherewithal to withstand market volatility.
We try and make it one clear message. But we recognize with the types of examples we use and types of books that we recommend that our investors are different. So we try and find different ways and connect with different people and yet, still say the same thing. Meb: So for someone who speaks a lot to, I imagine, institutions, RIAs, advisors, individuals, all of your various shareholders, what sort of advice or thoughts would you want to convey about them, thinking not just about your fund but investing in general?
I always want to say this? Steve: Well, I think to be successful in this business and to have a reasonable quality of life as well, one has to be okay with being fired. So if the world, then, I would argue, is not entirely rational, then there will be opportunities to take advantage of emotion, to sell into favourable emotion and buy into moments when people are fearful. Meb: Well, see, this is sort of the agony, actually, of being a public fund manager. What do you think about the sentiment right now?
But I think that with rates going down, people have not been able to have a safe…conservative alternative in conservative fixed income, as it had in the past. You only have a few choices. You can reduce your lifestyle, hard to do. You can spend principal, hard to do. You can take out more risk. Steve: …that I think is interesting. So what we did was…is, we took the household investment in financial assets and then pulled it forward 10 years and inverted the curve.
This is what we… The reason why we pulled it forward 10 years and the reason why we inverted it is so that it could align better with the other line item on the chart, which is trailing year returns. And you can see what this chart looks like. It moves up and down together. Well, you can see the peak here, which reverses to be a trough in this chart.
That was back in And the returns were solidly negative and that is the next year period. The catalyst is a continuous rise in interest rates that freezes out the consumer in the U. And so, a recession…the rates going up, a recession could be the driver. So the rate of corporate bond growth has been at double over the rate of the economic growth. People would probably love that as an ETF and buy a bunch of puts on the corporate indices. But I have probably five more pages of questions, so we might have to have you back in six months or a year.
Or you can give both. Steve: Well, the most memorable, for sure, for me, was really taking a portfolio and shifting it to distressed and high-yield in It was really, really fun and we just found it so hard to lose money.
I mean, I feel like the world was collapsing so much around us. I remember being at a value investing conference and watching a famous hedge fund manager speak. Where can people find more? Where do they follow you guys? Steve: Www. Meb: Awesome. Steve, thanks so much for joining us today. Send us your thoughts, feedback at themebfabershow. You can listen to the show. Subscribe on iTunes, Overcast, Stitcher or my favourite, Breaker.
Thanks for listening, friends, and good investing. Steve: Thank you, Meb. Meb: Steve, a little congrats is in order. You guys just passed a big milestone, 25 years. Steve: No. Meb: What did you study undergrad? Steve: I studied as education. Meb: The old cigar butts? Steve: Probably not? I have some bad thoughts. Meb: Is that…? Did Microsoft fall into that one, or no? Meb: Is that right?
He is a portfolio manager with Investment Management Associates, where he comanages institutional and personal assets utilizing fundamental analysis. Katsenelson received both his bachelor of science and his master of science in finance from the University of Colorado at Denver, where he graduated cum laude. To read articles Katsenelson has written over the years, please visit: ContrarianEdge. I like to think old Ben Graham would have recommended it, too. While the twists and turns of this ride are still to be written by history, the long-term, sideways "range-bound" trajectory has already been set by the eighteen-year bull market that ended in When the dust settles, only those who adapted their investment strategies to this range-bound market will have captured any meaningful profits.
Nobody understands this situation better than author, educator, and respected investment manager Vitaliy Katsenelson. This is not just another value investing book. It is a practical guide that contains innovative insights and timely techniques that will improve your investment endeavors during a time when others will be paying with their returns, and with lost time, for the valuation excesses of prior bull markets. In the first part of the book, Katsenelson examines the historical performance of U.
He then looks at the emotions that have dominated each of these markets, why there is a high probability that a range-bound market has descended on us, and what you can do to forecast how long this market will last. Part Two of Active Value Investing addresses practical application of this concept. You'll also be introduced to the Quality, Valuation, and Growth QVG framework, which lies at the core of this approach. Range-bound markets may be difficult to invest in, but with Active Value Investing as your guide, you'll quickly learn how to squeeze real profits out of a difficult market full of exhilarating highs and surprising lows.
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Graham and Dodd provided methods to research the value of a company. Graham also shares his investing strategies in his subsequent book, The Intelligent Investor. Over the years, value investing had been learnt, practiced and modified by many distinguished investors such as Warren Buffett.
Warren Buffett is known as one of the richest men who had made his fortunes from investing. As a result, many have written best-selling books on Warren Buffett and his investing philosophy. However, it is interesting to note that most of these books were not endorsed nor written by Warren Buffett himself. Despite having this much information around, no one is sure of the exact strategy that Warren Buffett uses. What we can be sure of is that he has modified his investing strategies from his days under Benjamin Graham.
And he admits this directly as he shares about his experience in the Berkshire Hathaway Shareholders letters :. My cigar-butt strategy worked very well while I was managing small sums. Indeed, the many dozens of free puffs I obtained in the s made that decade by far the best of my life for both relative and absolute investment performance. Most of my gains in those early years, though, came from investments in mediocre companies that traded at bargain prices.
Ben Graham had taught me that technique, and it worked. But a major weakness in this approach gradually became apparent:. Cigar-butt investing was scalable only to a point. With large sums, it would never work well. Neither has he written any official book about investing.
The only literature he has written are the shareholders letters that Berkshire Hathaway publishes annually. This is our warning to all who are still trying to invest like Warren Buffett. Around the same time, he got to know Charlie Munger, his current partner at Berkshire Hathaway. Charlie Munger is a smart investor who studies the market. Summary of the story of Value Investing.
You can watch this video where Alvin explains the story of Value Investing:. Unlike Benjamin Graham who looks for a stocks that are highly discounted on the stock market, Fisher would invest in stocks which he thinks are going to be way more valuable in the future. Imagine if you could invest in a big company like Facebook before it was well known. Hence, you would likely invest in Facebook.
Instead of looking at growth stocks and projecting their value into the future, Benjamin Graham looks at stocks that are already trading cheaper than the value today. Because Warren Buffett did share how he would invest if he were a retail investor like us. He shared this key information in a Berkshire Hathaway shareholder meeting. You can watch the video here. These are the 3 key points that Alvin had picked up:.
These stocks tend to be small companies, in unsexy businesses and may even have problems attached. This is a far cry from the big, glamorous companies with a competitive advantage which Buffett was known for investing in. There are a lot more small companies he could buy and make money. But he cannot efficiently invest in small companies when his capital became much larger. Due to a large number of stocks, it no longer matters if a few of these companies eventually go bust, but there will be some winners that would more than cover the losses.
As a group, or as a portfolio of stocks, it would be an overall gain for the Graham investor. Since Graham and Fisher, there have been various other forms of Value Investing Strategies and philosophy. Most investors understand the qualitative method, but few have heard about the quantitative method. It isn't the fault of investors but rather, the success of Warren Buffett that puts the qualitative approach to the fore.
Alvin wrote about investing in assets versus investing in earnings previously, this section goes deeper into that discussion. Benjamin Graham coined the terms "Qualitative" and "Quantitative" approach to investing in his book, "The Intelligent Investor". We quote;. Our statement that the current price reflects both known facts and future expectations were intended to emphasise the double basis for market valuations. Corresponding with these two kinds of value elements are two basically different approaches to security analysis.
To be sure, every competent analyst looks forward to the future rather than backward to the past, and he realizes that his work will prove good or bad depending on what will happen and not on what has happened.
Nevertheless, the future itself can be approached in two different ways, which may be called the method of prediction or projection and the way of protection. Those who emphasise prediction will endeavour to anticipate fairly accurately just what the company will accomplish in future years - in particular, whether earnings will show pronounced and persistent growth.
These conclusions may be based on a careful study of such factors as supply and demand in the industry - or volume, price, and costs - or else they may be derived from a naive projection of the line of past growth into the future. If these authorities are convinced that the relative long-term prospects are unusually favourable, they will almost always recommend the stock for purchase without paying too much regard to the level at which it is selling By contrast, those who emphasise protection are always concerned with the price of the issue at the time of the study.
Their main effort is to assure themselves of a substantial margin of indicated present value above the market price - which margin could absorb unfavourable developments in the future. Therefore, it is not so necessary for them to be enthusiastic over the company's long-run prospects as it is to be reasonably confident that the enterprise will get along.
The first or predictive approach could also be called the qualitative approach , since it emphasises prospects, management, and other non-measurable, albeit highly important, factors that go under the heading of quality. The second approach which is more protective is the quantitative or statistical approach , since it emphasises the measurable relationships between selling price and earnings, assets, dividends, and so forth.
Such evaluations definitely require more guesswork, and most people will fail terribly at it. Warren Buffett has a knack of getting it right in the businesses he understands. But most retail investors are not Warren Buffett. We do not have his skills and insights to project the future with a certain degree of certainty. Without a doubt, the future returns are high with the qualitative approach.
However, there is no point fantasising about mouth-watering returns if we cannot do it accurately enough. While qualitative approach buys a business less than what it is worth in the future , quantitative approach pays less than what the business is worth today. This requires the use of financial ratios such as Price-to-Book and Price-to-Earnings to evaluate the strength of the company.
Below is a list of rules that Walter Schloss advocated not exhaustive, he has more rules than these :. Most of these rules are quantifiable. They are less subjective than the qualitative approach. The analysis of a company can be completed within minutes just by the numbers. Hence, the quantitative approach suits the investor with a full-time job, and he is unable to keep up with in-depth company research and developments.
You will find that the financial ratios and value investing strategies that we share later in this guide are all tilted towards Quantitative analysis of Value Stocks. This is because the quantitative approach allows us to transfer the ability of profitable stock analysis to others. This is more difficult when it comes to the qualitative approach. Of course, there is nothing wrong if an investor wish to pursue the qualitative approach and aim for a higher return than a quantitative approach could.
Most people would have heard of this age old advice. But implementing it is not as straightforward. And most do this instead:. These are the two key questions that every investor seek to answer:. The Ultimate Aim of Value Investors. We want to identify the intrinsic value or true value of a stock.
And then, buy when the stock price is below the intrinsic value and sell when the stock price goes above its intrinsic value. The bigger the difference between the buy and sell points, the better because this difference is your return on investment.
In the next section, we share several methods that value investors use to determine the intrinsic value of a stock. There are several characteristics or assumptions that Value Investors will have to understand and make. These characteristics help to explain why certain stocks are said to be undervalued while others are not. Here, we list 5 key characteristics that value investors should know.
We believe that the market is made up of irrational investors. Hence, prices on the stock market do not accurately reflect the true value of a stock. And this creates opportunities for value investors who look to invest in undervalued stocks. As value investors, we believe that every stock has its intrinsic value. This is the value of the stock, and it is not related to the price that it is currently trading at.
We aim to look for stocks that are trading at a price below its intrinsic value. Pretty much like going into a store to look for items sold at a bargain. If our research and analysis are done right, there is a chance for the stock price to rise to its intrinsic value over time.
There is risk involved in any type of investing. It is no different in Value Investing. Hence to minimise our potential loss , value investors always look for a margin of safety; which is determined by the difference between its intrinsic value and its current price in the market. All value investors who want to do well in value investing must be prepared to spend some time and effort. This process requires time and effort and more patience and nerves.
Many value investors make use of fundamental factors to evaluate stocks, and there are little to no good fundamental stock screeners available. Even with a stock screener, value investors would still need to carry out their own due diligence to look beyond the numbers. The market is irrational. A value investor may need to wait for months or years before the stock can realise its true value for a positive return. The waiting time for a positive ROI is something that most average investors find difficult to adhere to.
This means that the price you see on the stock market and the performance of a stock in the market reflect how investors feel about the stock. Value investors tend not to make investment decisions according to what everyone else is doing. In fact, we believe that you have to be a contrarian to succeed as a value investor. To buy when the rest of the market is selling i. This process can be eased if you have a strategy with clear buying and selling guidelines.
PE is the most common financial ratio to investors. The numerator is the Price of the stocks while the denominator is the Earnings of the company. This simply tells you how much earnings are you paying for at the current price. FCF is calculated based on the values from the cash flow statement, which shows the movement of money in and out of the company. If the number is positive, it tells us that the company is taking in more money than it is spending, and it often indicates a rise in earnings.
In general, a PEG ratio of less than 1 is deemed as undervalued. EPS is earnings divided by the number of shares. But we need to look at the growth of earnings, so remember to average out the growth in EPS for the past few years. PB ratio is the second most common ratio, it is also referred to as price to net asset value NAV. Net asset is the difference between the value of tangible assets that a company possessed and the liability the company assumed intangible assets like goodwill which should be excluded.
A word of caution when looking at NAV. These numbers are what the companies report and they may overstate or understate the value of assets and liabilities. In fact, not all assets are equal. For example, a piece of real estate is more precious than product inventory. Rising inventory is a sign the company is not making sales and earnings may drop.
Hence, rising assets or NAV may not always be a good thing. You have to assess the asset of the company. The worst assets to hold are products with expiry, like agricultural crops etc. These measure the debt level of the company. They are similar but you should use the same metric when comparing different companies. Current Ratio or Quick Ratio tells you if a company has sufficient liquidity to meet its short term debts.
Current assets are examples like cash and fixed deposits. Current liabilities are loans that are due within one year. Quick ratio is more apt for companies that sell products where inventory can take up a large part of their assets. It does not make a difference to the company selling a service. Payout ratio measures the percentage of earnings given out as dividends.
You should understand how much earning is the company keeping and asking the management about how they intend to use the money. There is nothing wrong for the company to retain earnings if the management is going to make good use of the money.
Otherwise, they should give out a higher percentage of dividends to shareholders. This is not a financial ratio per se but it is important to look at. Hence, this is more applicable to small companies. When the management are majority shareholders, their interest tend to be more aligned with the shareholders.
We dived deeper into these key value investing financial ratios here. Value investing is not a bed of roses. It is not likely for a stock price to immediately surge the moment you invest in it. Some stocks take years to realise their true value.
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